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Консультация № 89548
01.06.2007, 08:55
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уточняю по поводу вопроса № 89452. заявление в милицию было сразу как только водитель увидел пропажу. организация узнала о краже только на следующий день. с водителем не заключен договор о полной материальной ответственности. однако не могу понять подпадает ли он под действие пункта 8 статьи 243?
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01.06.2007, 12:03
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Здравствуйте, Myxlik1!
Теоретически попадает. А Вы хотите в судебном порядке взыскать с него эту сумму? Тогда обратите внимание на ст. 239 того же ТК РФ. Если работник дркажет, что это Вы не обеспечили нормальные условия для сохранения имущества, то он ответственности нести не может. А вообще трудно давать четкий и однозначный ответ, не располагая информацией о деталях событий, т.к. в суде эти детали уточнять будут.
Приложение:
Статья 239. Обстоятельства, исключающие материальную ответственность работникаМатериальная ответственность работника исключается в случаях возникновения ущерба вследствие непреодолимой силы, нормального хозяйственного риска, крайней необходимости или необходимой обороны либо неисполнения работодателем обязанности по обеспечению надлежащих условий для хранения имущества, вверенного работнику.
Теоретически попадает. А Вы хотите в судебном порядке взыскать с него эту сумму? Тогда обратите внимание на ст. 239 того же ТК РФ. Если работник дркажет, что это Вы не обеспечили нормальные условия для сохранения имущества, то он ответственности нести не может. А вообще трудно давать четкий и однозначный ответ, не располагая информацией о деталях событий, т.к. в суде эти детали уточнять будут.
Приложение:
Статья 239. Обстоятельства, исключающие материальную ответственность работникаМатериальная ответственность работника исключается в случаях возникновения ущерба вследствие непреодолимой силы, нормального хозяйственного риска, крайней необходимости или необходимой обороны либо неисполнения работодателем обязанности по обеспечению надлежащих условий для хранения имущества, вверенного работнику.
02.06.2007, 05:37
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Считаю, что организации вряд ли удастся что-либо получить с работника. Как правильно ответила эксперт Mylady, скорее всего организация не обеспечила условия для сохранности. Договора о полной мат. ответственности нет.На суде истцу, скорее всего, зададут такой вопрос: а деньги в сумме, эквивалентной стоимости украденного, Вы поручили бы перевозить ОДНОМУ человеку и без охраны? Ответ будет отрицательный.Поэтому винить в данной ситуации, полагаю, нужно лишь руководство. И иск, считаю, будет отклонён. Не тратьте зря время и деньги на госпошлину. И уповайте на то, что может быть милиция разыщет пропажу.
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