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Помогите разобраться с НДС взыскиваемого с физических лиц в стоимости товаров и услуг. Я что-то разобраться не могу. ФЛ не являются налогоплательщиками НДС в силу ст.143 НК РФ. Но как же тогда НДС которое платят ФЛ при покупке товаров (такое можно увидеть если к купленому товару есть счет-фактура) и услуг, в т.ч. ЖКХ. Ладно ЖКХ конторы (они же управляющие орагнизации и ТСЖ) в силу пп.29-30 п.3 ст.149 НК РФ с 01.01.2010 освободились от уплаты НДС. Но как быть с ФЛ? до 2010 года ФЛ должны были управконторам платить НДС вместе со стоимостью коммунальных услуг или нет? ( в данный момент меня больше интересует оплата ЖКХ в т.ч. НДС с 2007 года по 2010)
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Неизвестный
12.03.2010, 10:10
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это ответ
Здравствуйте, pretender8901. Под налогом понимается обязательный, индивидуально безвозмездный платеж, взимаемый с организаций и физических лиц в форме отчуждения принадлежащих им на праве собственности, хозяйственного ведения или оперативного управления денежных средств в целях финансового обеспечения деятельности государства и (или) муниципальных образований (ч.1 ст.8 НК). НДС физические лица не платят государству. НДС - платят организации, ИП, или лица, признаваемые налогоплательщиками налога на добавленную стоимость (далее в настоящей главе - налог) в связи с перемещением товаров через таможенную границу Российской Федерации, определяемые в соответствии с Таможенным кодексом Российской Федерации (ст.143 НК). Но, сумма НДС заложена в товаре, услуге, которые Вы покупаете - При реализации товаров (работ, услуг) населению по розничным ценам (тарифам) соответствующая сумма налога включается в указанные цены (тарифы). При этом на ярлыках товаров и ценниках, выставляемых продавцами, а также на чеках и других выдаваемых покупателю документах сумма налога не выделяется (ч.6 ст.168 НК). Это так называемый косвенный налог для всех физических и юридических лиц государства, в том числе он берётся и с услуг ЖКХ.
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12.03.2010, 10:18
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Lion: тогда получается если этот налог с услуг ЖКХ убран в силу пп.29-30 п.3 ст.249 НК РФ, то стоимость данных услуг должна стать меньше?
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12.03.2010, 14:35
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pretender8901:
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Неизвестный
12.03.2010, 14:58
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как я понимаю это да?
Неизвестный
12.03.2010, 18:45
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pretender8901:
Что да?
О каких пп.29-30 п.3 ст.249 НК РФ Вы говорите?
Неизвестный
12.03.2010, 22:37
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прошу прошения за опечатку читать пп.29-30 п.3 ст.149 НК РФ, а не пп.29-30 п.3 ст.249 НК РФ
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13.03.2010, 15:43
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pretender8901:
Это в теории, и при грубом округленнии. Если бы тарифы не повышались, тогда можно было бы говорить, что они должны снизиться на сумму НДС, но... Например: тарифы (без учёта изменений НК) повысили на 30%, с учётом изменений - они должны повыситься (30-18=12%). Это очень грубый и приблизительный пример А если честно, то ЖКХ - это такая ...., что разобраться кто за что платит можно только очень хорошо зная их работу изнутри, то есть, простому смертному - практически невозможно !
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